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	<title>Comments on: Urban Inversion</title>
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		<title>By: Julien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian: I think some people are already doing what you recommend. The &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt; recently published &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/education/edlife/27collegetown.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a story&lt;/a&gt; about recent college graduates staying in towns like Binghamton, New York; Providence, Rhode Island; Missoula, Montana; and Davis, California. Of course, in typically obtuse Timesian fashion, they present the least newsworthy aspect of the story, that some college graduates stay in their college towns after graduation, as the news, while mostly ignoring the fact that these towns are smaller than the cities people my age moved to (or stuck around in) after college (places like Portland, Oregon; Brooklyn, New York; Austin, Texas; etc.) Anyway, that&#039;s another potentially good side effect of this phenomenon, that people who want but can&#039;t afford to move to New York City or San Francisco will promote good urbanism in hitherto neglected smaller cities. 

Damian: Yes, that&#039;s certainly true of Paris (and has been, to some extent, for a very long time, though it might have become worse over the past twenty years). I think the rich city/poor suburb pattern is much more common in Europe than here, but of course in most European conurbations, social welfare programs are extensive, income inequality is less extreme, and there is ample public transportation, so the economic effects of any displacement are less painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian: I think some people are already doing what you recommend. The <em>New York Times</em> recently published <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/education/edlife/27collegetown.html" rel="nofollow">a story</a> about recent college graduates staying in towns like Binghamton, New York; Providence, Rhode Island; Missoula, Montana; and Davis, California. Of course, in typically obtuse Timesian fashion, they present the least newsworthy aspect of the story, that some college graduates stay in their college towns after graduation, as the news, while mostly ignoring the fact that these towns are smaller than the cities people my age moved to (or stuck around in) after college (places like Portland, Oregon; Brooklyn, New York; Austin, Texas; etc.) Anyway, that&#8217;s another potentially good side effect of this phenomenon, that people who want but can&#8217;t afford to move to New York City or San Francisco will promote good urbanism in hitherto neglected smaller cities. </p>
<p>Damian: Yes, that&#8217;s certainly true of Paris (and has been, to some extent, for a very long time, though it might have become worse over the past twenty years). I think the rich city/poor suburb pattern is much more common in Europe than here, but of course in most European conurbations, social welfare programs are extensive, income inequality is less extreme, and there is ample public transportation, so the economic effects of any displacement are less painful.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian</title>
		<link>http://www.newsstandsophisticate.com/2008/07/28/urban-inversion/comment-page-1/#comment-6327</link>
		<dc:creator>Damian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is getting to be the situation in Paris, at least as far as the immigrant-filled &lt;i&gt;banlieuex&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is getting to be the situation in Paris, at least as far as the immigrant-filled <i>banlieuex</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Crowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d imagine that taxing the wealthy sufficiently to have their incomes brought within the ballpark of the middle class is unlikely any time soon. (It&#039;s been at least 28 years since that was the case. And while I&#039;m wary, too, of government misallocation of  funds, if it pays for near-universal health care, higher teacher salaries, and university education, then I&#039;m all for it.)

Another possibility is to have cities demand that all high-density housing in desirable, central areas be mixed income--such that not every unit is &#039;luxury.&#039; But then we are faced with the ugly social and psychological fact that having mixed-income or mixed-race buildings would likely drive down the value of their higher-end units. 

Governments could try to encourage middle income coops, like the late &#039;40s one I live in in NYC. But the unions organized mine and it&#039;s unclear to me who would do so today.

Recently, my suspicion is that those who want urban living and are priced out of NYC or Chicago, might seek out smaller cities (like Portland, ME, or Scranton, or Lexington, KY) that are affordable, where they may be able to float up on the rising tides of urban real estate prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d imagine that taxing the wealthy sufficiently to have their incomes brought within the ballpark of the middle class is unlikely any time soon. (It&#8217;s been at least 28 years since that was the case. And while I&#8217;m wary, too, of government misallocation of  funds, if it pays for near-universal health care, higher teacher salaries, and university education, then I&#8217;m all for it.)</p>
<p>Another possibility is to have cities demand that all high-density housing in desirable, central areas be mixed income&#8211;such that not every unit is &#8216;luxury.&#8217; But then we are faced with the ugly social and psychological fact that having mixed-income or mixed-race buildings would likely drive down the value of their higher-end units. </p>
<p>Governments could try to encourage middle income coops, like the late &#8217;40s one I live in in NYC. But the unions organized mine and it&#8217;s unclear to me who would do so today.</p>
<p>Recently, my suspicion is that those who want urban living and are priced out of NYC or Chicago, might seek out smaller cities (like Portland, ME, or Scranton, or Lexington, KY) that are affordable, where they may be able to float up on the rising tides of urban real estate prices.</p>
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